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	<title>Comments on: The Continuing Saga of the Thomas Eakins Gross Clinic Art-as-Commodity Scandal</title>
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		<title>By: Charley Parker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charley Parker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2011 14:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The trio of large scale Munk&#225;csy paintings formerly owned by John Wamamaker are in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.derimuz.hu/deri/deri_nyito.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Deri Museum&lt;/a&gt; in Debrecen, Hungary.

Eakins&#039; &quot;The Cello Player&quot;, formerly in the collection of The Pennsylvania Academy of the Fine Arts, was &quot;deaccessioned&quot; (a stupid and cowardly euphemism for &quot;sold&quot;) to an unnamed buyer. I was assuming this might be Alice Walton, who had been trying to raid the Gross Clinic, but that doesn&#039;t appear to be the case, so I don&#039;t know.

Of the Klimt paintings recovered by Maria Altmann, &quot;Portrait of Adele Bloch-Bauer&quot; (see my post &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.linesandcolors.com/2007/09/30/guatav-klimt/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;) is in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.neuegalerie.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Neue Galerie&lt;/a&gt; in New York; the other four were sold to undisclosed private buyers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The trio of large scale Munk&aacute;csy paintings formerly owned by John Wamamaker are in the <a href="http://www.derimuz.hu/deri/deri_nyito.html" rel="nofollow">Deri Museum</a> in Debrecen, Hungary.</p>
<p>Eakins&#8217; &#8220;The Cello Player&#8221;, formerly in the collection of The Pennsylvania Academy of the Fine Arts, was &#8220;deaccessioned&#8221; (a stupid and cowardly euphemism for &#8220;sold&#8221;) to an unnamed buyer. I was assuming this might be Alice Walton, who had been trying to raid the Gross Clinic, but that doesn&#8217;t appear to be the case, so I don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>Of the Klimt paintings recovered by Maria Altmann, &#8220;Portrait of Adele Bloch-Bauer&#8221; (see my post <a href="http://www.linesandcolors.com/2007/09/30/guatav-klimt/" rel="nofollow">here</a>) is in the <a href="http://www.neuegalerie.org" rel="nofollow">Neue Galerie</a> in New York; the other four were sold to undisclosed private buyers.</p>
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		<title>By: Marana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2011 12:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Charley Parker,

I recently returned from Phildelphia to the Boston area.  Philadelphia is a city that I have loved since my parents took me there at Eastertime to view the Mukascy paintings in the Wanamaker Department store. Do you have any idea where those paintings are today?  

Only on this last visit did I discover the Philadelphia Museum of Fine Arts and Thomas Eakins&#039; missing Cello Player!  This museum seems to be hidden treasure and no wonder they could not raise enough money to keep both Eakins paintings.  If the MFA and Isabella Stewart Gardner Museums could fundraise enough money to build huge additions (during these most dire economic times) then I do not understand why this museum could not when things were better back in 2007.  The museum directors need to speak with Anne Hawley and Malcolm Rogers for advice on marketing and fundraising!  Two years later, do you have any idea where the lovely Cello Player is?  From the general public&#039;s point of view, isn&#039;t the Cello Player a &quot;more lovely&quot; painting AND threatened with being sold, more people would have donated?  If only they and I would have known....

Another sad topic I would like to ask if you have any more information on is the sale of the four Gustav Klimt paintings in November 2006 by Maria Altman?  More amazingly beautiful artwork that has disappeared from public museums to private individuals.

Thank you for your time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Charley Parker,</p>
<p>I recently returned from Phildelphia to the Boston area.  Philadelphia is a city that I have loved since my parents took me there at Eastertime to view the Mukascy paintings in the Wanamaker Department store. Do you have any idea where those paintings are today?  </p>
<p>Only on this last visit did I discover the Philadelphia Museum of Fine Arts and Thomas Eakins&#8217; missing Cello Player!  This museum seems to be hidden treasure and no wonder they could not raise enough money to keep both Eakins paintings.  If the MFA and Isabella Stewart Gardner Museums could fundraise enough money to build huge additions (during these most dire economic times) then I do not understand why this museum could not when things were better back in 2007.  The museum directors need to speak with Anne Hawley and Malcolm Rogers for advice on marketing and fundraising!  Two years later, do you have any idea where the lovely Cello Player is?  From the general public&#8217;s point of view, isn&#8217;t the Cello Player a &#8220;more lovely&#8221; painting AND threatened with being sold, more people would have donated?  If only they and I would have known&#8230;.</p>
<p>Another sad topic I would like to ask if you have any more information on is the sale of the four Gustav Klimt paintings in November 2006 by Maria Altman?  More amazingly beautiful artwork that has disappeared from public museums to private individuals.</p>
<p>Thank you for your time.</p>
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		<title>By: Charley Parker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charley Parker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 12:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Bob.

Thanks for the nice comments about the site.

Interesting idea to compare Eakin&#039;s original cost for materials. I&#039;m sure Eakins would be spinning in his grave like a dynamo if he could see some modern developments regarding his work and other issues (like the way art is taught today).

Art as a commodity is just an unfortunate fact of life, I agree that we can only hope its destructive tendencies are not too dominant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Bob.</p>
<p>Thanks for the nice comments about the site.</p>
<p>Interesting idea to compare Eakin&#8217;s original cost for materials. I&#8217;m sure Eakins would be spinning in his grave like a dynamo if he could see some modern developments regarding his work and other issues (like the way art is taught today).</p>
<p>Art as a commodity is just an unfortunate fact of life, I agree that we can only hope its destructive tendencies are not too dominant.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 17:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m slowly reading through all your wonderful archived material; this is such a superb site.


I note elsewhere: &quot;In 1878, three years after Eakins made the painting, some of Gross&#039; former students bought it for Jefferson Medical College. They paid $200. Soon it will be sold -- for $68 million.&quot;


http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6622315


I can&#039;t tell if Eakins got the $200 or a dealer/middleman.


It turns out a $200 investment 131 years ago at a mere 10.2 percent compounded annual interest gives you $68 million now.  Astonishing isn&#039;t it.  In real dollars with inflation, the rate is much lower.


The painting looks to be mostly umbers, white and black.  It would be interesting to know the 1875 price of Eakins&#039; materials (wood, nails, fabric, glue, pigment, oil, and so forth) for this 52 square foot painting.  Could it be that Eakin himself took a loss on the painting?  If someone whispered &quot;$68 million for your Gross Clinic painting&quot; over Eakins&#039; grave, I wonder if he might not come back to life.
  

As for those managing the inheritance of the unctuously wealthy, I suspect creating a non-profit &quot;foundation&quot; holding company for investment grade art objects, which also permit one to escape capital gains liabilities, is reason to expect new museum building in the hinterland to become a growth industry, as well as brokering the looting of the public treasuries of &quot;growth&quot; objects rather than growth stocks.  I hope it&#039;s less destructive for the US than Europe&#039;s experience in the early 1940s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m slowly reading through all your wonderful archived material; this is such a superb site.</p>
<p>I note elsewhere: &#8220;In 1878, three years after Eakins made the painting, some of Gross&#8217; former students bought it for Jefferson Medical College. They paid $200. Soon it will be sold &#8212; for $68 million.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6622315" rel="nofollow">http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6622315</a></p>
<p>I can&#8217;t tell if Eakins got the $200 or a dealer/middleman.</p>
<p>It turns out a $200 investment 131 years ago at a mere 10.2 percent compounded annual interest gives you $68 million now.  Astonishing isn&#8217;t it.  In real dollars with inflation, the rate is much lower.</p>
<p>The painting looks to be mostly umbers, white and black.  It would be interesting to know the 1875 price of Eakins&#8217; materials (wood, nails, fabric, glue, pigment, oil, and so forth) for this 52 square foot painting.  Could it be that Eakin himself took a loss on the painting?  If someone whispered &#8220;$68 million for your Gross Clinic painting&#8221; over Eakins&#8217; grave, I wonder if he might not come back to life.</p>
<p>As for those managing the inheritance of the unctuously wealthy, I suspect creating a non-profit &#8220;foundation&#8221; holding company for investment grade art objects, which also permit one to escape capital gains liabilities, is reason to expect new museum building in the hinterland to become a growth industry, as well as brokering the looting of the public treasuries of &#8220;growth&#8221; objects rather than growth stocks.  I hope it&#8217;s less destructive for the US than Europe&#8217;s experience in the early 1940s.</p>
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		<title>By: art museums</title>
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		<dc:creator>art museums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 12:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a interesting stuff. I like it very much. Museums are for ancient and popular things. The philadelphia museum of art is very famous.There was eakin studies and tought. sponsored a joint fund allow to the Gross Clinic be jointly owned by the PMA and the Academyâ€™s Museum of Art. I have also a debates on these problems. I want more data related to these problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a interesting stuff. I like it very much. Museums are for ancient and popular things. The philadelphia museum of art is very famous.There was eakin studies and tought. sponsored a joint fund allow to the Gross Clinic be jointly owned by the PMA and the Academyâ€™s Museum of Art. I have also a debates on these problems. I want more data related to these problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel van Benthuysen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel van Benthuysen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 23:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It might be useful to remember that long before Alice Walton there were collectors like Henry Clay Frick who brought over entire rooms full of murals by European artists to fill up his Manhattan mansion. And centuries before Frick, the Archduke Leopold brought cartloads of Italian paintings to Antwerp in the early 1600s. Every generation has its super-rich who import what cultural masterpieces they can to wherever they like. Centuries later the Greeks want the Elgin marbles back and the Italians are banging at the door of the Getty. This has always gone on, Alice Walton is not some villainess born of this century and neither is she a hero preserving cultural masterpieces that would otherwise disappear. I do think that the art and museum world is in danger of succumbing to a kind of political correctness that is unwarranted. At the risk of being shouted off the web I&#039;ll offer the opinion that even if BOTH the Cello Player and the Gross clinic left Philadelphia, the city would remain the one pilgrimage of choice for any Eakins fan, with far more masterpieces by him than anywhere else. And let&#039;s not confuse Jefferson College with a museum. Their mission is not the same and even our greatest museums &quot;deaccession&quot; great works all the time just to keep going.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It might be useful to remember that long before Alice Walton there were collectors like Henry Clay Frick who brought over entire rooms full of murals by European artists to fill up his Manhattan mansion. And centuries before Frick, the Archduke Leopold brought cartloads of Italian paintings to Antwerp in the early 1600s. Every generation has its super-rich who import what cultural masterpieces they can to wherever they like. Centuries later the Greeks want the Elgin marbles back and the Italians are banging at the door of the Getty. This has always gone on, Alice Walton is not some villainess born of this century and neither is she a hero preserving cultural masterpieces that would otherwise disappear. I do think that the art and museum world is in danger of succumbing to a kind of political correctness that is unwarranted. At the risk of being shouted off the web I&#8217;ll offer the opinion that even if BOTH the Cello Player and the Gross clinic left Philadelphia, the city would remain the one pilgrimage of choice for any Eakins fan, with far more masterpieces by him than anywhere else. And let&#8217;s not confuse Jefferson College with a museum. Their mission is not the same and even our greatest museums &#8220;deaccession&#8221; great works all the time just to keep going.</p>
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		<title>By: Li-An</title>
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		<dc:creator>Li-An</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 22:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting because we have some debats in France on similar problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting because we have some debats in France on similar problems.</p>
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		<title>By: sara</title>
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		<dc:creator>sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 22:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been to Arkansas a number of times, lived for 20 years in Oklahoma and am a native Texan. I took no offense in your comments because I understood exactly your objection to Alice Walton and her &quot;corporate raider&quot; style of Kulture gettin&#039;. 
I would simply add that this is another example of the &quot;Wal-mart-ification&quot; of the world: Make boatloads of money by exploiting the poor, use that money as leverage to arrange the world into your own personal idea of nirvana and take no thought as to how your actions further deprive others of their freedoms, blessings and opportunities. 
The people of Philidelphia --nay-- the public at large have every right to be incensed at the actions of this individual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been to Arkansas a number of times, lived for 20 years in Oklahoma and am a native Texan. I took no offense in your comments because I understood exactly your objection to Alice Walton and her &#8220;corporate raider&#8221; style of Kulture gettin&#8217;.<br />
I would simply add that this is another example of the &#8220;Wal-mart-ification&#8221; of the world: Make boatloads of money by exploiting the poor, use that money as leverage to arrange the world into your own personal idea of nirvana and take no thought as to how your actions further deprive others of their freedoms, blessings and opportunities.<br />
The people of Philidelphia &#8211;nay&#8211; the public at large have every right to be incensed at the actions of this individual.</p>
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