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	<title>Comments on: News Flash: Oil painting invented in Asia, not Europe</title>
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	<pubDate>Sun,  7 Sep 2008 18:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: oakling</title>
		<link>http://www.linesandcolors.com/2008/04/26/news-flash-oil-painting-invented-in-asia-not-europe/#comment-433995</link>
		<dc:creator>oakling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 19:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and what a great criss-cross between all those extremely ancient cave paintings people used to do, and the oil paintings we still do! art is such a fundamental part of humanity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and what a great criss-cross between all those extremely ancient cave paintings people used to do, and the oil paintings we still do! art is such a fundamental part of humanity.</p>
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		<title>By: David Clemons</title>
		<link>http://www.linesandcolors.com/2008/04/26/news-flash-oil-painting-invented-in-asia-not-europe/#comment-418085</link>
		<dc:creator>David Clemons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 23:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just be be clear about what this represents to me: since we're talking buried artifacts, it's not for certain that "oil painting was invented in Asia," but that this is the earliest to be uncovered so far. There may well be some buried oil painting in Egypt that's older, or elsewhere, for all we know. It wasn't as if oil wasn't available to other cultures. Just because we haven't found Greek paintings in oil doesn't mean they may not exist. The same thing goes for paper, since the "tapa" of papyrus was used in Egypt from 3000BC, if not earlier. And does it really matter who thought up oil as a medium first? The use of egg or milk as a binder is even older. Sorry, I don't want to trounce all over your article. So, kudos to the Chinese for all their many inventions. Fortunately for us other people were able to take it out of their hands and share it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just be be clear about what this represents to me: since we&#8217;re talking buried artifacts, it&#8217;s not for certain that &#8220;oil painting was invented in Asia,&#8221; but that this is the earliest to be uncovered so far. There may well be some buried oil painting in Egypt that&#8217;s older, or elsewhere, for all we know. It wasn&#8217;t as if oil wasn&#8217;t available to other cultures. Just because we haven&#8217;t found Greek paintings in oil doesn&#8217;t mean they may not exist. The same thing goes for paper, since the &#8220;tapa&#8221; of papyrus was used in Egypt from 3000BC, if not earlier. And does it really matter who thought up oil as a medium first? The use of egg or milk as a binder is even older. Sorry, I don&#8217;t want to trounce all over your article. So, kudos to the Chinese for all their many inventions. Fortunately for us other people were able to take it out of their hands and share it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jg</title>
		<link>http://www.linesandcolors.com/2008/04/26/news-flash-oil-painting-invented-in-asia-not-europe/#comment-410183</link>
		<dc:creator>Jg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 08:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For some reason I am not surprised.

A while ago, when studying comparative aesthetics, I came a cross a theory, that renaissance (in terms of ideas expressed) actualy started in china and shockwaved from there to the west (first India, then Near East, then Europe) and east (Japan) in a decade or two.
This oil painting technique discovery seems to support it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For some reason I am not surprised.</p>
<p>A while ago, when studying comparative aesthetics, I came a cross a theory, that renaissance (in terms of ideas expressed) actualy started in china and shockwaved from there to the west (first India, then Near East, then Europe) and east (Japan) in a decade or two.<br />
This oil painting technique discovery seems to support it.</p>
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		<title>By: The Flying Trilobite</title>
		<link>http://www.linesandcolors.com/2008/04/26/news-flash-oil-painting-invented-in-asia-not-europe/#comment-403256</link>
		<dc:creator>The Flying Trilobite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 01:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Religion-inspired art certainly has been intense, at that.  

I found Mary Anne Staniszewski's book, &lt;i&gt;Believing is Seeing: creating the culture of art&lt;/i&gt; an interesting book.  She puts forth in very visual terms that art as we think of the term did not really exist until about the late eighteenth century; that before that period artistic endeavours were part of religious worship and a sort of craftsmanship primarily with other purposes in mind than being viewed as an art object. 

Staniszewski's point of view is valid in one way, but it's hard to get out from behind our cultural lens. Michaelangelo's &lt;i&gt;Pieta&lt;/i&gt; is an inspiring example of motherhood, with or without religious belief in its specific story.  

I remember in university art history classes, a few of the students attacking a lot of paintings due to the presence of the 'male gaze' and nude women, and then dismissing the rest of the meaning of say, Bottecelli's &lt;i&gt;Venus&lt;/i&gt; in it's entirety.  

For myself as a Bright or atheist, I'm never tempted to throw out the narrative, mood or beauty with the religious bathwater. The religious art of the past is a tribute to the striving feelings of our predecessors, which makes the tragedy at Bamiyan al the more terrible. 

(Sorry for the long response!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Religion-inspired art certainly has been intense, at that.  </p>
<p>I found Mary Anne Staniszewski&#8217;s book, <i>Believing is Seeing: creating the culture of art</i> an interesting book.  She puts forth in very visual terms that art as we think of the term did not really exist until about the late eighteenth century; that before that period artistic endeavours were part of religious worship and a sort of craftsmanship primarily with other purposes in mind than being viewed as an art object. </p>
<p>Staniszewski&#8217;s point of view is valid in one way, but it&#8217;s hard to get out from behind our cultural lens. Michaelangelo&#8217;s <i>Pieta</i> is an inspiring example of motherhood, with or without religious belief in its specific story.  </p>
<p>I remember in university art history classes, a few of the students attacking a lot of paintings due to the presence of the &#8216;male gaze&#8217; and nude women, and then dismissing the rest of the meaning of say, Bottecelli&#8217;s <i>Venus</i> in it&#8217;s entirety.  </p>
<p>For myself as a Bright or atheist, I&#8217;m never tempted to throw out the narrative, mood or beauty with the religious bathwater. The religious art of the past is a tribute to the striving feelings of our predecessors, which makes the tragedy at Bamiyan al the more terrible. </p>
<p>(Sorry for the long response!)</p>
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		<title>By: Charley Parker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charley Parker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your comments, Flying Trilobite.

I have friends and acqauaintences who are paneontological artists, and I've done a number of posts on that subject and other aspects of scientific, botanical and medical illustration. I've even done a bit of scientific illustration myself for paleontological geological and biological subjects, so I'm definitely appreciative of that aspect of artistic inspiration. 

But you're right in that I'm looking to the past in making that statement. I base my assessment on the magnitude and intensity (to couch it in scientific terms, even though it's a value judgement) of religious art throughout history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comments, Flying Trilobite.</p>
<p>I have friends and acqauaintences who are paneontological artists, and I&#8217;ve done a number of posts on that subject and other aspects of scientific, botanical and medical illustration. I&#8217;ve even done a bit of scientific illustration myself for paleontological geological and biological subjects, so I&#8217;m definitely appreciative of that aspect of artistic inspiration. </p>
<p>But you&#8217;re right in that I&#8217;m looking to the past in making that statement. I base my assessment on the magnitude and intensity (to couch it in scientific terms, even though it&#8217;s a value judgement) of religious art throughout history.</p>
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		<title>By: The Flying Trilobite</title>
		<link>http://www.linesandcolors.com/2008/04/26/news-flash-oil-painting-invented-in-asia-not-europe/#comment-400489</link>
		<dc:creator>The Flying Trilobite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 10:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not sure I agree that religion is better than science at inspiring art; my own work is inspired directly from the biological sciences. 

I do agree that it has been better in the past at inspiring art, however.  Otherwise, I agree with all of your statements about rationality and science.  Thank you for a well-written article, not awash in the cultural relativism found in so many places in the arts. 

The origin of oil painting has become even more fascinating this month.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not sure I agree that religion is better than science at inspiring art; my own work is inspired directly from the biological sciences. </p>
<p>I do agree that it has been better in the past at inspiring art, however.  Otherwise, I agree with all of your statements about rationality and science.  Thank you for a well-written article, not awash in the cultural relativism found in so many places in the arts. </p>
<p>The origin of oil painting has become even more fascinating this month.</p>
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